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Diskuse k TSMC zvažuje výrobu 450mm křemíkových desek

Nejpve je ale nutno učinit "maličkost" - OBJEVIT a otestovat potřebné technologie ...

http://www.electrochem.org/dl/interface/wtr/wtr06/wtr06_p28-31.pdf

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mať tak ich problemy.... co s 300miliardami? :-\

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Jste si jisti tou castkou? Nebyla treba uvedena v taiwanskych dolarech? Pak by to vychazelo radove na 7 miliard Kc.

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to asi ne, protože naopak by to v USD vycházelo pod půl milionu a to je málo i na 300mm továrnu...

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jn ... 300 miliard se mi taky zdá docela hodně ... tak možná 30 miliard ... tolik třeba stojí automobilka Hyunday v Nošovicích, která má produkovat 1000 (slovy jedentisíc) aut každý den!! Vím, že je to "trochu" něco jiného, ale že by fabrika na 450mm oplatky :) měla být 10× dražší ... tomu se mi jen težko chce věřit ....

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"It is estimated that 450 nm fabs will cost US$10+ billion each to create."

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Jun/bch20060615036895.htm

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Já bych řekl, že cena je adekvátní, ono nejde jenom o to, že se budou používat 450mm desky, ale taky o to, jakou výrobou se chipy budou vyrábět, těch 10-15mld. USD bych viděl na novou továrnu s 45nm výrobním procesem, ne li něco lepšího.

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Ceny su este hrozivejsie(toivern moze CPU/GPU vyrabat najviac 6 rokov v high-end a potom este davb roky low end potom sa musi prestavat)

SUNNYVALE, CA -- June 5, 2000 --AMD announced today that it has commenced commercial shipments of AMD Athlon processors from its newest "megafab," Fab 30 in Dresden, Germany.

Construction of Fab 30, located on a 75-acre campus in the community of Wilschdorf on the northern edge of Dresden, was completed in the spring of 1998. Pilot production, began in January of 1999.The site also includes the Dresden Design Center, which is currently developing a new companion chip that incorporates communications features that will complement AMD's next-generation PC processors(chipset AMD8000). When fully equipped, Fab 30 will represent a total investment of $1.9 billion
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543_552~72...
AMD's Fab 30 "works at 150%" capacity
General public knowledge regarding Fab 30 production is the maximum capacity of 20,000 wafer starts a month. Last month, the company refreshed the marketing materials with the claim that Fab 30 starts 25,000 wafers on a monthly basis. But this is not the final number.

Udo Nothelfer, VP of AMD's Fab36 told us that the current production of Fab30 isn't 20,000 or 25,000 wafer starts per month, but a rather astonishing 30,000, or 50% more than company designed the Fab for
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=30832
na 200mm wafer sa zmesti tak okolo 200 single core CPU

AMD To Invest US$2.5 Billion In Germany To Expand 300mm Microprocessor Production

SUNNYVALE and DRESDEN -- May 29, 2006 today announced that it plans to expand its microprocessor manufacturing capacity over the next three years by adding additional 300 millimeter wafer production capabilities in Dresden through the implementation of three new projects. AMD?s newest fabrication facility will come online through a major transformation of the company?s existing Fab 30, which will be named Fab 38. The transition from 200mm to 300mm allows for more than twice as many processors on a wafer
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~109198...

AMD Breaks Ground on 300 Millimeter Manufacturing Facility in Dresden, Germany

Move to Expand Manufacturing Capacity Driven by Positive Customer Response and Increased Market Opportunities for AMD64 Processors

SUNNYVALE, CA AND DRESDEN, GERMANY AMD announced today that it has broken ground on a 300 millimeter (mm) manufacturing facility (or ?fab?). The facility, named AMD Fab 36, is part of AMD Dresden Fab 36 LLC & Co. KG and will be located in Dresden, Germany, adjacent to AMD Fab 30. AMD Fab 36 is expected to be in volume production in 2006

?We expect AMD Fab 36 will cost approximately US$2.4 billion over the next four years. We have arranged external financing and government support of approximately $1.5 billion during that period.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~79105,...

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>> fotoba:
Poslední výstraha "před popravou" ;) Máš tam zase příliš mnoho odkazů a anglického textu...

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Tu anglictinu beriem, ale chcel som len zdoraznit(a nas na matematike ucili,ze kazdu vetu treba dokazat ja pouzivam linky ako dokazy), ze tovarne su skutocne drahe a super rychlo klesa cena litoliniek
Tie z AMD Fab 30 stoja po 8 rokoch len 250 mil. USD pritom stali skoro 2 mld.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20061110024507.html
Vychodne Nemecko je v tomto lacne
vid 3,2 mld USD(600 mil za stavbu a 2,6 mld za stroje)na AMD Fab v stsate New York, Intel a Motorola stavaju v Izraeli a Texase tovarne za 3,5 mld. USD k tomu investicne naklady vo vyske 2 mld. USD za 5 rokov prevadzky na udrazanie tovarne v chode a prechod na nove vyrobne technologie...
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_7595~110287,00.html
ako vidno firma vyrabaujuca chipy si musi dat pozor na to aby sa nezblaznila v investiciach tak ako AMD
k tomu skor uvedenemu 5,4 mld USD za Ati
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543_13744~...

a ked k tomu pridame AMD investiciu do novej budovy v Austine, aby uz po 31 rokoch AMD v Austine neboli v prenajtych priestorch
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543_13743~...
za stvrt miliardy
http://lonestar.amd.com/en-us/econ_campusfacts.aspx

Este,ze sa rozhdli to investicne blaznovstvo spomalit, lebo sa uz mohli uinvestovat k smrti. Ale to je koli cenam tovarni riziko kazdeho producneta chipov.. TSMC hrozi nieco podobne v suvislostio s touto investiciou, kedze ju tiez povazujem za investicne blaznovstvo

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